Re: [cobirds] Re: No bird seed allowed at BCLP? No fair! How dare they!

Hello birders,

I am no longer in Colorado, but haven't unsubscribed from the list yet. I have been following this thread with interest, and I have to say I am in absolute 100% agreement with those who say that breaking a rule that you feel is "stupid", just to have better chances to see a bird, is certainly not on par with "civil disobedience", such as sit-ins to end injustices against whole groups of people.

I also entirely agree with those who say that we as birders want to portray ourselves in the most positive light possible. Breaking a "stupid" rule is not going to endear ourselves to anyone, and in addition to fostering resentful feelings against birders at this park and/or other areas where birders break the rules in order to add to their lists, news of this sort of thing will spread. When I worked at a grocery store a while back, we had a training in which they told us something along the lines of that you must provide outstanding customer service about 10 times in order for one person to tell his/her friends, but if you provide crummy customer service once, the person will tell 10 other people. My point is, unfortunately, people are more likely to share bad news than good news, and negative feelings and experiences more than positive.

Sure we've all made mistakes. But let's try to respect rules and also not encourage others to break them, and by doing, risk offending those who are playing host to this special bird.

Sincerely,

Holly Reinhard
Laredo, TX (formerly Hayden [Routt county], Colorado)

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Jim Dandy <jimdandy678@gmail.com> wrote:

Not specifically.  But I guess what you're saying is, because it's ok to feed birds according to the ABA, it's ok to ignore the park rules.  Or by extension property owner rules.   It may be a silly rule, but it's one that is levied by the park, for reasons unknown to you.

So you can either ignore the rule or abide by it, but the hypocrisy of abiding by an "ABA rule of ethics" in the face of disregard for the property owner rules, should be recognized for what it is.  And trying to skirt your way around it  is just goofy

And please... to elevate any of this to the level of "civil disobedience", especially in having nuns do it for you (!!!) is not only ludicrous, but is also an afront to those people that have given up everything in the name of social justice.

I'm appalled by listers, time and again.  This the last I'll say on the subject.  

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ira Sanders <zroadrunner14@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm unclear here. Is Jim equating putting out seed for the birds at Bear Creek with killing a small dog of a property owner?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware that putting out seed for birds is a violation of the ABA code of ethics. Harassing birds is clearly against the code of ethics but that isn't happening here.  I'm not aware of anyone stalking this bird when in fact bicycle riders and hikers are constantly traversing the bridge where the bird is seen.

I certainly abide by the ABA code of ethics but when a rule is silly, it should be seen for what it really is.  Dumb.

Ira Sanders

Golden, CO

and yes, 1 of the requirements of this list serve is to sign your name.

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Jim Dandy <jimdandy678@gmail.com> wrote:

Situational ethics alive and well.  Civil disobedience is standing up for what you believe to be unjust to society.  It's not breaking the rules just so that you can add a bird to your life list. Nor is it asking nuns to do your dirty work for you.

I see lots of posts here and on other birding lists along the lines of "Please, if  you come to see XYZ, respect the property owner and don't trample his grass or kill his small barking dog".  But I guess if it's a good bird, say goodbye to the dog!

What is the CFO position on this?

I've lurked here for years and joined this list specifically to post this.  I hope the list owners don't see fit to terminate me for this; that would say a lot in and of itself.

On Friday, November 23, 2012 11:03:01 AM UTC-7, Joe Roller wrote:

Dismayed at the officiousness of the Bear Creek Lake Park rangers, I worked up my indignation and managed to find a "work-around."

After many phone-calls and emails, I established contact with the three nuns (Sister Anne Marie, Sister Elizabeth and Sister Bernadette) who visited the Park the other day. They agreed 

to take a big bag of birdseed to the Brambling hangout tomorrow. Too busy today. Others will have to sneak some (seed, not nuns) into the park

on other days. 

If you missed rebelling in the sixties and did not burn your draft card, here is your chance to step

forward into the exciting world of civil disobedience!

Three of us are signed up so far to either go your bail or visit you in jail.

Joe Roller, 

Denver

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