Friday, 28 November 2025

Re: [cobirds] Blue goose

Thank you all for your remarks. I've studied the photos i took and those online and it does look more like a Ross'sXCackling hybrid. I note that Peter Burke spotted one on Lake McIntosh in January 2018! Not a rarity but I've never seen one before so, happy to record this hybrid in my records and spend a pleasant few hours sorting it out :) 

On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 3:37 PM David Suddjian <dsuddjian@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I think that is a hybrid Cackling x Ross's or Snow. Blue forms have more dark extending up the neck, differently patterned wing (more fancy) and quite a dark neck on Ross's (the Blue form of which is quite rare). And the goose it is with here is a Cackling - small size, small bill, steep forehead.

The hybrid "cheeked" x white geese are fairly regular, usually with Cackling as their breeding range overlaps. Real blue morphs are fairly rare in the Front Range area but common our east in the prairie counties like Logan and Washington. 

David Suddjian

On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 3:29 PM David Hyde <davidhyde1951@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Cobirders, I just spotted this goose in with hundreds of Canada geese on Lake McIntosh in Longmont. Does it qualify as an adult blue-morph Ross's goose?


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[cobirds] Blue goose

Hey Cobirders, I just spotted this goose in with hundreds of Canada geese on Lake McIntosh in Longmont. Does it qualify as an adult blue-morph Ross's goose?


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Thursday, 27 November 2025

[cobirds] Warbling vireos and Colorado eBird

All:

With the split of Warbling Vireo into two species (Eastern Warbling Vireo [EWVI] and Western Warbling Vireo [WWVI]), eBirding has become much more difficult and problematic, and we Colorado birders get to be the guinea pigs for learning about the distributions of the two species on the Colorado plains. While there are pre-existing data, there are nowhere near enough, as few birders cared about the subspecies Warbling Vireo (Eastern) and Warbling Vireo (Western).

The first and most intractable problem is that there are NO consistent plumage color or pattern differences between the two species. Western TENDS toward the grayer end with a darker crown, and Eastern TENDS toward the brighter end with a paler crown, but the overlap in plumage tone is virtually complete. Western has a shorter, thinner bill than does Eastern, but the usable in-hand differences are in the half-millimeter range, something that will be nearly useless in field conditions.

The primary take-home message from this post: Recordings of SINGING birds provide the only truly definitive documentation. Not calling birds. Not whining birds. Singing birds, and singing birds singing full songs. That means that all of our phones' audio recorders will be getting a workout come May. That also means that non-singing birds are essentially unidentifiable, and should be recorded as "Eastern/Western Warbling Vireo" (or some such entry).

Because there are relatively few definitively identified records of either species on the Colorado plains, where the two species meet and overlap, we don't know the true extent of either species' breeding distributions there. Yes, the farther east one goes, the more likely it is that EWVI is the breeding species, and WWVI is more likely as one approaches the foothill edge. West of the foothill edge, all breeders are WWVI… probably. Both species are suspected to breed at Barr Lake S.P., and if they hybridize there or elsewhere where the two species meet, then virtually all bets are off when it comes to definitively identifying even singing warbling vireos. Additionally, the extremities of the two species' breeding ranges probably differ greatly between the South Platte drainage and the Arkansas drainage. The same is true for many "eastern" species of birds, such as Red-bellied Woodpecker, Bell's Vireo, Baltimore Oriole, and Indigo Bunting, all of which breed much farther west in the South Platte drainage than in the Arkansas drainage. More on this, below.

As I noted in the first sentence, the reason I am posting in this venue is to give everyone birding on the Colorado plains next spring and summer a heads-up as to how the Colorado eBird filters will be dealing with this worst-ever bird-ID conundrum to visit the state's birders.

eBird filters provide a framework for the abundance (or lack thereof) for all species occurring in a given filter region (e.g., Adams County, Crowley and Otero counties, and the San Luis Valley's five counties). Those filters are what cause entries to flag or not (see eBird Data Quality : Help Center for more on that eBird process). Individual species have upper limits on the number of individuals that can be submitted to eBird from a particular location, beyond which the entry will flag for relatively atypical abundance for limits of 1 or greater, or will flag for rarity for a limit of zero.

[Those interested in a deeper dive into the hows and wherefors of Colorado eBird filters, check out Colorado & Wyoming eBird: Stone Age to Industrial Age: The evolution of eBird's filter system. For other aspects of eBird relative to Colorado, check out the blog housing the above-linked essay: Colorado & Wyoming eBird


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I return you to our regularly scheduled programming.

Front Range, Wet Mountains, and Sangre de Cristos and west – This is the only portion of the state that is/has been simple to create the eBird filter limits that will govern which species will be available on filters: All filters from these areas will allow Western Warbling Vireo at various limits of >0 during the seasons of typical occurrence (on a gross scale, May through September). Somewhat unfortunately, all foothill-edge counties in Colorado straddle the foothill edge, so those counties (Larimer, Boulder, Jefferson, Douglas, El Paso, Pueblo, Huerfano, and Las Animas) will also have Eastern Warbling Vireo on those filters, but with the limit set to zero on each. That means that any reports of Eastern Warbling Vireo in those counties will require documentation of the occurrence.

Colorado's eastern edge (Sedgwick, Phillips, Yuma, Cheyenne, Kit Carson, Kiowa, Prowers, and Baca counties): These filters will have limits of >0 for Eastern Warbling Vireo from arrival to the end of the breeding season (probably May through mid-August), but will have 0 limits for Western Warbling Vireo (the species may be a casual or rare migrant through these counties, as the species breeds in the Black Hills of South Dakota and may traverse eastern Colorado to and fro).

Western portions of the Arkansas River drainage on the plains (Elbert, El Paso, Lincoln, Crowley, and Otero counties): Eastern Warbling Vireo will have limits of 0 in all seasons and all counties. Because we CO birders are not sure of the distributions of the two species in Crowley and Otero, BOTH species will have a limit of 0 all year; documentation will be required, even in migration, when Western Warbling Vireo is probably a fairly common spring (and fall) migrant.

Eastern portions of the South Platte River drainage on the plains (Logan, Morgan, and Washington counties): The expected breeding species here is Eastern Warbling Vireo, but in Washington, possibly only along the South Platte and at Prewitt Reservoir. Western Warbling Vireo is probably of reasonably regular occurrence as a spring migrant. EWVI will have non-zero filter limits from May through early August, but WWVI will have filter limits of 0.

The problem children (Weld, Adams, and Arapahoe counties): As I noted earlier, both warbling vireo species have been noted singing at Barr Lake (Adams Co.) during the breeding season. Thus, in Adams County, both species will have filter limits >0 from May to early August, but both filters will have 0 limits in the fall (essentially after 7 August). I strongly suggest providing recordings for reports of either species in the county so we can begin to fully understand the breeding distributions and the relative abundances of the two species. In both Weld and Arapahoe counties, the filter limits of both species will be 0, so documentation for both will be required.

Hopefully, eBirders will provide a lot of recordings this coming spring and summer, so that the various Colorado eBird reviewers can better understand the two species' spring and summer occurrence patterns. That would provide those reviewers the opportunity to refine filters for subsequent breeding seasons.

Tony Leukering
Denver, CO


Wednesday, 26 November 2025

Re: [cobirds] Digest for cobirds@googlegroups.com - 3 updates in 2 topics

If you are referring to the Warbling Vireo (hard to be sure in this reply to the digest), yes, the song is the easiest way to distinguish the two species. And distribution is very helpful in much of the two species's range, but not everywhere in CO and less during migration periods. 

This was covered a fair amount on CoBirds when the split was announced, and some info can be found in the archives. 

David Suddjian
Littleton, CO


On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 1:47 PM 'Linda' via Colorado Birds <cobirds@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Do you think they can be distinguished by song??
Linda

On Nov 25, 2025, at 06:13, cobirds@googlegroups.com wrote:

John Tumasonis <snakemonev@gmail.com>: Nov 24 03:21PM -0800

Note: Audubon web address for CBC:
*https://www.audubon.org/community-science/christmas-bird-count/join/christmas-bird-count
*
 
Then go to "*Click here for a map view of the circles*....."
 
All:
Broomfield CO Christmas bird count circle - compiler name and
email address given when you click on the "bird logo" on the map but does
appear to be open for registration yet. Count Date is given as 12-27-25.
I would check the map daily and refresh to see when registration begins, if
interested.
 
Well, about time Broomfield got put on the map. The circle contains some
of the best "hotspots" along the Front Range and does not appear to overlap
any other count circles. The circle includes most of Broomfield and parts
of Louisville, Lafayette, Erie, Northglenn, Thornton, and part of Weld
County.
 
*Areas of interest* include Wanaka Lake, Hecla Pond, Metzger Farm, Plaster
Reservoir, Erie Lake, Prince Lake #2, Thomas Lake, Alexx and Michael's
Pond, the wildlife ponds at Westminster Community College, large portions
of Big Dry Creek which runs from south west to north east - almost
bisecting the entire circle (anyone up for a long 15 mile hike?), Eastlake,
Hunter's Glenn Lake, Croke Reservoir, Margaret's Pond, Mushroom Pond, Vogel
Ponds area, almost all of the Stearns Lake area, and clips parts of the
eastern edge of the South Platte River (Adams County) including parts of
the bikeway, ponds, and open space.
 
Like all Xmas bird count areas, it's a huge amount of area to cover, and
not all of it can be covered (unless you're Superman), and has tons of
walking along bikeways and hiking trails.
 
I'll try to post what I've been seeing in at some of these locations lately
to help with those signing up for the Broomfield Christmas bird count. And
what you should expect to see by December 27th.
 
Good luck,
John T (Tumasonis), Broomfield CO
"I'm not a real birder. I only pretend to be one on CoBirds."
Luke Pheneger <phenegerluke@gmail.com>: Nov 24 09:48PM -0800

Hello all,
 
THE BROOMFIELD CBC IS ON DECEMBER 21ST! I'm not sure why it says the 27th
on the website but I will get that fixed ASAP.
 
Luke Pheneger
 
On Monday, November 24, 2025 at 4:21:00 PM UTC-7 John Tumasonis wrote:
 
Robert Righter <rorighter@earthlink.net>: Nov 24 03:25PM -0700

Hi
 
Recent notification from Cornell Lab of Ornithology
 
The Warbling Vireo has been separated into two distinct species
The Eastern Warbling Vireo (Vireo gilvis)
The Western Warbling Vireo (Vireo swainsoni)
 
I notice a head ache starting in the back of my head creeping towards the frontal lobs
 
Bob Righter
Denver CO
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Re: [cobirds] Digest for cobirds@googlegroups.com - 3 updates in 2 topics

Do you think they can be distinguished by song??
Linda

On Nov 25, 2025, at 06:13, cobirds@googlegroups.com wrote:

John Tumasonis <snakemonev@gmail.com>: Nov 24 03:21PM -0800

Note: Audubon web address for CBC:
*https://www.audubon.org/community-science/christmas-bird-count/join/christmas-bird-count
*
 
Then go to "*Click here for a map view of the circles*....."
 
All:
Broomfield CO Christmas bird count circle - compiler name and
email address given when you click on the "bird logo" on the map but does
appear to be open for registration yet. Count Date is given as 12-27-25.
I would check the map daily and refresh to see when registration begins, if
interested.
 
Well, about time Broomfield got put on the map. The circle contains some
of the best "hotspots" along the Front Range and does not appear to overlap
any other count circles. The circle includes most of Broomfield and parts
of Louisville, Lafayette, Erie, Northglenn, Thornton, and part of Weld
County.
 
*Areas of interest* include Wanaka Lake, Hecla Pond, Metzger Farm, Plaster
Reservoir, Erie Lake, Prince Lake #2, Thomas Lake, Alexx and Michael's
Pond, the wildlife ponds at Westminster Community College, large portions
of Big Dry Creek which runs from south west to north east - almost
bisecting the entire circle (anyone up for a long 15 mile hike?), Eastlake,
Hunter's Glenn Lake, Croke Reservoir, Margaret's Pond, Mushroom Pond, Vogel
Ponds area, almost all of the Stearns Lake area, and clips parts of the
eastern edge of the South Platte River (Adams County) including parts of
the bikeway, ponds, and open space.
 
Like all Xmas bird count areas, it's a huge amount of area to cover, and
not all of it can be covered (unless you're Superman), and has tons of
walking along bikeways and hiking trails.
 
I'll try to post what I've been seeing in at some of these locations lately
to help with those signing up for the Broomfield Christmas bird count. And
what you should expect to see by December 27th.
 
Good luck,
John T (Tumasonis), Broomfield CO
"I'm not a real birder. I only pretend to be one on CoBirds."
Luke Pheneger <phenegerluke@gmail.com>: Nov 24 09:48PM -0800

Hello all,
 
THE BROOMFIELD CBC IS ON DECEMBER 21ST! I'm not sure why it says the 27th
on the website but I will get that fixed ASAP.
 
Luke Pheneger
 
On Monday, November 24, 2025 at 4:21:00 PM UTC-7 John Tumasonis wrote:
 
Robert Righter <rorighter@earthlink.net>: Nov 24 03:25PM -0700

Hi
 
Recent notification from Cornell Lab of Ornithology
 
The Warbling Vireo has been separated into two distinct species
The Eastern Warbling Vireo (Vireo gilvis)
The Western Warbling Vireo (Vireo swainsoni)
 
I notice a head ache starting in the back of my head creeping towards the frontal lobs
 
Bob Righter
Denver CO
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Tuesday, 25 November 2025

[cobirds] Re: Broomfield Christmas Bird Count date noted

Wow!   Thanks Luke for catching that!   (As of 7:30 this morning it was still listed as the 27th).   

John T 

On Monday, November 24, 2025 at 10:48:45 PM UTC-7 Luke Pheneger wrote:
Hello all,

THE BROOMFIELD CBC IS ON DECEMBER 21ST! I'm not sure why it says the 27th on the website but I will get that fixed ASAP. 

Luke Pheneger

On Monday, November 24, 2025 at 4:21:00 PM UTC-7 John Tumasonis wrote:
Note:  Audubon web address for CBC:

Then go to "Click here for a map view of the circles....."   

All:  
         Broomfield CO Christmas bird count circle - compiler name and email address given when you click on the "bird logo" on the map but does appear to be open for registration yet.   Count Date is given as 12-27-25.  I would check the map daily and refresh to see when registration begins, if interested. 

Well, about time Broomfield got put on the map.  The circle contains some of the best "hotspots" along the Front Range and does not appear to overlap any other count circles.   The circle includes most of Broomfield and parts of Louisville, Lafayette, Erie, Northglenn, Thornton, and part of Weld County.  

Areas of interest include Wanaka Lake, Hecla Pond, Metzger Farm, Plaster Reservoir, Erie Lake,  Prince Lake #2, Thomas Lake, Alexx and Michael's Pond, the wildlife ponds at Westminster Community College, large portions of Big Dry Creek which runs from south west to north east - almost bisecting the entire circle (anyone up for a long 15 mile hike?), Eastlake, Hunter's Glenn Lake, Croke Reservoir, Margaret's Pond, Mushroom Pond, Vogel Ponds area, almost all of the Stearns Lake area, and clips parts of the eastern edge of the South Platte River (Adams County) including parts of the bikeway, ponds, and open space.  

Like all Xmas bird count areas, it's a huge amount of area to cover, and not all of it can be covered (unless you're Superman), and has tons of walking along bikeways and hiking trails.  

I'll try to post what I've been seeing in at some of these locations lately to help with those signing up for the Broomfield Christmas bird count.  And what you should expect to see by December 27th.  

Good luck, 
John T (Tumasonis), Broomfield CO
"I'm not a real birder.  I only pretend to be one on CoBirds."  


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Monday, 24 November 2025

[cobirds] Re: Broomfield Christmas Bird Count date noted

Hello all,

THE BROOMFIELD CBC IS ON DECEMBER 21ST! I'm not sure why it says the 27th on the website but I will get that fixed ASAP. 

Luke Pheneger

On Monday, November 24, 2025 at 4:21:00 PM UTC-7 John Tumasonis wrote:
Note:  Audubon web address for CBC:

Then go to "Click here for a map view of the circles....."   

All:  
         Broomfield CO Christmas bird count circle - compiler name and email address given when you click on the "bird logo" on the map but does appear to be open for registration yet.   Count Date is given as 12-27-25.  I would check the map daily and refresh to see when registration begins, if interested. 

Well, about time Broomfield got put on the map.  The circle contains some of the best "hotspots" along the Front Range and does not appear to overlap any other count circles.   The circle includes most of Broomfield and parts of Louisville, Lafayette, Erie, Northglenn, Thornton, and part of Weld County.  

Areas of interest include Wanaka Lake, Hecla Pond, Metzger Farm, Plaster Reservoir, Erie Lake,  Prince Lake #2, Thomas Lake, Alexx and Michael's Pond, the wildlife ponds at Westminster Community College, large portions of Big Dry Creek which runs from south west to north east - almost bisecting the entire circle (anyone up for a long 15 mile hike?), Eastlake, Hunter's Glenn Lake, Croke Reservoir, Margaret's Pond, Mushroom Pond, Vogel Ponds area, almost all of the Stearns Lake area, and clips parts of the eastern edge of the South Platte River (Adams County) including parts of the bikeway, ponds, and open space.  

Like all Xmas bird count areas, it's a huge amount of area to cover, and not all of it can be covered (unless you're Superman), and has tons of walking along bikeways and hiking trails.  

I'll try to post what I've been seeing in at some of these locations lately to help with those signing up for the Broomfield Christmas bird count.  And what you should expect to see by December 27th.  

Good luck, 
John T (Tumasonis), Broomfield CO
"I'm not a real birder.  I only pretend to be one on CoBirds."  


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