Saturday, 31 October 2015

[cobirds] Sapsucker ID Help (Once Again) - Cheesman (Denver)

For the third time this year, I'm seeking help ID'ing a  Cheesman sapsucker. This time, I don't have photos, as I encountered the bird while walking my dog this morning at the park. The bird moved between a small juniper and several large deciduous trees on the park's western edge. It perched, more than once, on open, well-lit perches at eye level, affording good looks. (The looks would have been better if my dog hadn't been tugging at its leash; all that tugging explains why I had my binoculars, but not my camera.) 

The bird was a juvenile. I have no experience with juvenile of either species and, so, did not know if there were any marks to pay close attention to. What I noticed, though, was a sapsucker with messy barring across the back; a bit of barring at the very bottom of the back was noticeably brighter than most of the barring above it. The bird had a brownish, dingy colored head. I did not see red on either the bird's nape or throat. The throat was by no means clean white, but it seemed brighter white than the supercillum. A brownish breast gave way to a light belly. 

I've read that juvenile Red-naped Sapsucker generally molt in October and will begin to look more like the adults. This bird did not give me that impression. But I don't know if that's enough to help things along with the ID. 

Feel free to share thoughts on or off list.

Thanks,

Jared Del Rosso
Denver, CO
 

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

Since we moved back to Colorado from overseas 7 years ago and Cole Wild turned us on to CObird as well as eBird, COBird has been the most invaluable system of learning about Colorado birds, the areas to see them, and everything that Dan Stringer said below about those amazing individual birders who we have learned so much from. And priceless is the enthusiasm that comes through at every spotting, especially this fall when waves of sandhill cranes were coming over.  Not only have we learned a lot, CObird has made us better birders, increased our sense of habitat and season, and helped us meet some of those special people who are so willing to take time to show us where to find birds. And I will add a thank you to Ted Floyd for his posts too, making us aware of nights flights, and full moon watching. 

YES! Please keep posting to CObird. You are right, it is benefitting more than you realize as I even forward local posts to friend birders who are not on CObird.

Libby Edwards
Fort Collins



On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:46 PM, 'Dan Stringer' via Colorado Birds <cobirds@googlegroups.com> wrote:

When I started birding six years ago, CoBirds was where I learned what was out there and where to look. eBird is great for so many data-related reasons, but CoBirds tells the tale. Reading how Dave Leatherman posts great bird notes but also related entomology, plants, weather, listing a multitude of areas new to me, etc...or how David Suddjan helps complete the picture with related sightings in an under-birded overall area, or how Steve Mlodinow describes an all-day trip, apparently keeping index cards in his head for unexpected birds therefore finding them, or Glenn Walbek reporting from the far reaches of Lincoln County (so that's the time of year I might consider going there!), or Brandon Percival posting something that makes me get in my car and go learn something in that Pueblo area that's so unique...these things are Irreplaceable to developing birders who learn that there's good habitat right near where they've been driving and hiking all along, or where they've never been. I agree with Mark Chavez, any time a sighting is posted to CoBirds we have the option of getting an e-mail alert right as it's posted...last week when I went to Terry Lake to view a reported Loon, I was sure (from a long ways away) that it was Pacific...when pulling out of the parking area I got an e-mail alert on my phone about Red-throated Loon, backtracked, and was able to re-assess the bird. Later confirmed it was Red-throated Loon, it was a great education for me.

Please keep posting to CoBirds. It's benefitting more people than you know.

Dan Stringer,
Larkspur, Co

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
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[cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

When I started birding six years ago, CoBirds was where I learned what was out there and where to look. eBird is great for so many data-related reasons, but CoBirds tells the tale. Reading how Dave Leatherman posts great bird notes but also related entomology, plants, weather, listing a multitude of areas new to me, etc...or how David Suddjan helps complete the picture with related sightings in an under-birded overall area, or how Steve Mlodinow describes an all-day trip, apparently keeping index cards in his head for unexpected birds therefore finding them, or Glenn Walbek reporting from the far reaches of Lincoln County (so that's the time of year I might consider going there!), or Brandon Percival posting something that makes me get in my car and go learn something in that Pueblo area that's so unique...these things are Irreplaceable to developing birders who learn that there's good habitat right near where they've been driving and hiking all along, or where they've never been. I agree with Mark Chavez, any time a sighting is posted to CoBirds we have the option of getting an e-mail alert right as it's posted...last week when I went to Terry Lake to view a reported Loon, I was sure (from a long ways away) that it was Pacific...when pulling out of the parking area I got an e-mail alert on my phone about Red-throated Loon, backtracked, and was able to re-assess the bird. Later confirmed it was Red-throated Loon, it was a great education for me.

Please keep posting to CoBirds. It's benefitting more people than you know.

Dan Stringer,
Larkspur, Co

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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[cobirds] Great Discussion

Hi

Cobirds vs Ebirds, what a great discussion, lets keep going with it.

What about the the birder, that just has four hours to spend and wants to go to a location where there is a good diversity of birds and is not interested in traveling great distances for a rare bird. For example a birder may be interested in sifting through a variety of ducks, viewing them at different distances, light conditions and plumages in order to develop a degree of jizz about ducks. Or during spring and fall migration wanting to study shorebirds in their different transitional plumages, Or in winter where are the best locations for watching and studying hawks?. Or how about interesting discussions like this?

I think there is value in conveying location and type of interest information. Not everyone at every moment is interested in just knowing where a rare bird is.

Cheers,

Bob Righter
Denver CO

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[cobirds] Red Throated Loon at Terry Lake, Longmont - YES

This morning Sally Swain and I spotted the Red Throated Loon at Terry Lake. I believe this is day 5 at this location. We had less luck with the Common Loon seen at Dry Creek Reservoir, in Berthoud  recently. Good November Birding All,       Carl Starace     Niwot

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[cobirds] eBird -- US-CO-Loveland-6550 W County Road 38 E - 40.5304x-105.1875 -- Oct 31, 2015

This location is Horsetooth Mountain park.

US-CO-Loveland-6550 W County Road 38 E - 40.5304x-105.1875
Oct 31, 2015
11:35 AM
Traveling
6.00 miles
159 Minutes
All birds reported? Yes
Comments: South ridge trail to Audra culver to horsetooth peak to Wathen trail to spring creek to main trail/road back to parking lot
Submitted from eBird for iOS, version 1.1.3 Build 30

1 Golden Eagle
1 Northern Pygmy-Owl
1 Hairy Woodpecker
3 Northern Flicker
2 Steller's Jay
1 Western Scrub-Jay
1 Black-billed Magpie
1 Common Raven
1 Black-capped Chickadee
10 Mountain Chickadee
1 White-breasted Nuthatch (Interior West)
18 Pygmy Nuthatch
2 Brown Creeper
2 Canyon Wren
3 Townsend's Solitaire
1 American Robin
2 Dark-eyed Junco (Slate-colored)
4 Dark-eyed Junco (Oregon)
5 Dark-eyed Junco (Pink-sided)

Number of Taxa: 19

Good birding,

Arvind Panjabi
Larimer Co., west of Fort Collins

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[cobirds] Red poll flock at Estes Park 10/31

Hi everyone, 

As I write,  there are 6 Common
Redpolls at the Matthews-Reiser Sanctuary in Estes Park. They are feeding on willow catkins along the main path. Look for a flock of Pygmy Nuthatches and Mountain Chickadees in the area. 

Mark Miller 
Longmont, CO 


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[cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

I think cobirds was first created, to save people from calling the Colorado Rare Bird Alert all the time, to find out what rare birds were being seen in Colorado (which is good for those of us, who didn't live in the Denver area, since it costs money to call the Rare Bird Alert).  So, for a while cobirds was the best way to find out about rare birds people were finding around Colorado.  Later on, everyone got cell phones, so when something crazy was being found, your phone was ringing, if you are in the loop.  Cobirds was still working, as some people would post from their phones to let the word out about rare birds quickly.  Now, there is e-bird, and rare bird reporting to cobirds has gone downhill it seems.  Luckily, if something crazy is found, the cell phone still rings usually.  

I got a call late on Thursday evening, to look at a e-bird checklist, with photos of a "Great Crested Flycatcher", of course, I thought before seeing the photos, a Great Crested Flycatcher in Colorado in late October probably isn't one.  I wasn't surprised to see the photos that showed the bird was a BROWN-CRESTED FLYCATCHER!  If the e-bird checklist was submitted mid-day or before, even without photos, giving directions to the "Great Crested Flycatcher", some local Denver birders, would have quickly, gone to look, since they would know, a Great Crested Flycatcher in Colorado in late October, is very very unlikely, and some would remember Dave Leatherman found a Brown-crested Flycatcher in late October a few years ago at Crow Valley Campground, thinking someone should go look quickly.  Anyway, these late October rare flycatchers don't seem to stick around, so knowing about it right away, would be better, if anyone else is going to be able to see.  When I birding on Wednesday, I was actually looking for Brown-crested Flycatcher, Thick-billed Kingbird, and Groove-billed Ani among other things, since this seems like a good time of the year to be looking for these birds.  I didn't find any of those birds of course, though they were all on my mind.  It is good to know, when certain birds should be here, or not be here.  

Congrats on the finders of the Chatfield Brown-crested Flycatcher on Thursday, and great job on getting photos.  The Colorado Birds Records Committee will be looking forward to the documentation on this sighting.  I think there are only two accepted records for Colorado of this species, as of right now.  The Crow Valley bird and the one from the summer in the San Luis Valley.  I think there are a couple other sightings too.  Hopefully this species will show up more, and maybe stay long enough for all of us to see.
 
Brandon Percival
Pueblo West, CO




[cobirds] Re: Common Redpoll in Estes Park (Larimer)

Just saw the common redpoll along the path at 1100. By the pond, between two junipers is a giant tangle of old and new tree. It was in the thick of it.

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

The nice thing about ebird is your observations go into a database where they reside permanently to be used in various analyses.  Your observations to cobirds are soon no longer relevant and not easy to retrieve, summarize, etc.  fortunately, sharing your ebird lists to cobirds only takes a few clicks.  I will try to start doing this more.  

If you haven't yet tried the new ebird app for your phone I suggest you do. Very easy to use!

Arvind Panjabi
Fort Collins 

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On Oct 31, 2015, at 6:09 AM, David Suddjian <dsuddjian@gmail.com> wrote:

One more point from me, in response to Diana's question,  "Who is really wanted to post here and what is post-worthy?"

You can find the answer at the COBirds Information page here:  http://cobirds.org/CFOPage.aspx?pg=2

The information there indicates a wide range of topics are acceptable, even if there is a focus on reporting and relating interesting or rare birds. But even then, it is pretty open, as stated on the page, "Whatever you think is rare or interesting is acceptable."

As for who is wanted to post, it is open to all members to post within the parameters of what is acceptable for the list (see link).

David Suddjian
Littleton, CO



On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:03 PM, otowi <otowi33.33@gmail.com> wrote:
I also wonder how many people know about CObirds?  There are a lot of birders not subscribed to this or any other group.   CObirds seems to me kind of like an "insider" thing that only people in certain circles know about, and that many are likely to assume is only for use by experts or highly experienced birders to share reports with one another.  Who is really wanted to post here and what is post-worthy?

An advantage of eBird is that you can keep your whole life list there easily and can simply report what you think you saw - it feels a lot more personal and functional for individual use.  Just as phone lines have gone by the wayside, egroups are a little old school today in terms of how people actually use the Internet for social purposes, so using CObirds requires many to take a set of unnatural steps that they wouldn't ordinarily be doing.



Diana Beatty
El Paso

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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[cobirds] common loons at chatfield - 10/30

viewed 5 common loons from the heronry overlook at chatfield ~ 1:00...
michael kiessig
jefferson co.

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

One more point from me, in response to Diana's question,  "Who is really wanted to post here and what is post-worthy?"

You can find the answer at the COBirds Information page here:  http://cobirds.org/CFOPage.aspx?pg=2

The information there indicates a wide range of topics are acceptable, even if there is a focus on reporting and relating interesting or rare birds. But even then, it is pretty open, as stated on the page, "Whatever you think is rare or interesting is acceptable."

As for who is wanted to post, it is open to all members to post within the parameters of what is acceptable for the list (see link).

David Suddjian
Littleton, CO



On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:03 PM, otowi <otowi33.33@gmail.com> wrote:
I also wonder how many people know about CObirds?  There are a lot of birders not subscribed to this or any other group.   CObirds seems to me kind of like an "insider" thing that only people in certain circles know about, and that many are likely to assume is only for use by experts or highly experienced birders to share reports with one another.  Who is really wanted to post here and what is post-worthy?

An advantage of eBird is that you can keep your whole life list there easily and can simply report what you think you saw - it feels a lot more personal and functional for individual use.  Just as phone lines have gone by the wayside, egroups are a little old school today in terms of how people actually use the Internet for social purposes, so using CObirds requires many to take a set of unnatural steps that they wouldn't ordinarily be doing.



Diana Beatty
El Paso

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
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[cobirds] Colorado Rare Bird Alert, 31 October 2015

Compiler:   Joyce Takamine
e-mail:     RBA AT cobirds.org
Date:  October 31, 2015
This is the Rare Bird Alert, Saturday, October 31 sponsored by Denver Field
Ornithologists and the Bird Conservancy of the Rockies.
 
                        HAPPY HALLOWEEN
                        Do not forget to set back you clocks tonight.  
                        Daylight savings time ends

Highlight species include: (* indicates new information on this species).
 
Greater White-fronted Goose (Kiowa)
Surf Scoter (Arapahoe, Larimer, Park, Weld)
White-winged Scoter (Arapahoe)
Black Scoter (El Paso)
Barrow's Goldeneye (Routt)
Red-throated Loon (Boulder)
Red-necked Grebe (Boulder, *Douglas, El Paso, Jefferson)
Broad-Winged Hawk (Boulder)
Ruddy Turnstone (Douglas)
Dunlin (Larimer)
Red Phalarope (Boulder, Logan)
Pomarine Jaeger (Park)
Thayer's Gull (Adams)
Lesser Black-backed Gull (Adams, Larimer, Morgan)
Caspian Tern (Pueblo)
RUBY-THROATED HUMMINGBIRD (Jefferson)
Red-bellied Woodpecker (Bent, Lincoln, Prowers, Weld)
American Three-toed Woodpecker (Park)
Eastern Phoebe (Pueblo,  Weld)
Black Phoebe (Mesa)
Great Crested Flycatcher (Jefferson)
Blue-headed Vireo (Kit Carson, Prowers)
Winter Wren (Morgan)
SEDGE WREN (Weld)
Wood Thrush (Kit Carson)
Curve-billed Thrasher (Bent)
Chestnut-collared Longspur (Larimer, Montezuma, Prowers)
McCown's Longspur (Denver, Morgan)
Lapland Longspur (Weld)
Nashville Warbler (Prowers)
MOURNING WARBLER (Kit Carson)
Northern Parula (Weld)
Palm Warbler (Denver)
Rufous-crowned Sparrow (Fremont)
Canyon Towhee (Baca, Bent)
Field Sparrow (Prowers)
Harris's Sparrow (Bent)
Swamp Sparrow (Boulder)
Golden-crowned Sparrow (Boulder)
Rusty Blackbird (Larimer)
Common Redpoll (*Larimer)

ADAMS COUNTY:
--A Thayer's Gull was reported by David Dowell at Barr Lake SP on October 18.
--A Lesser Black-backed Gull was reported by Candice Johnson at Barr Lake SP on October 20.

ARAPAHOE COUNTY:
--A White-winged Scoter was reported by Gene Rutherford at Cherry Creek SP at the Smoky Hill Picnic Area on October 18.
--A Surf Scoter was reported by Hugh Kingery at S Platte Reservoir in South Platte Park on October 24.  On October 25, Jim Schmoker, Scott Manwaring, and Tom Behnfield reported Scurf Scoter at South Platte Reservoir.  On October 27, Mindy Musick King reported Surf Scoter at South Platte Reservoir.

BACA COUNTY:
--3 Canyon Towhees were reported by Mark L Hoffman at Cottonwood Canyon on October 21.
--Mark L Hoffman reported Canyon Towhee at Carrizo Canyon on October 21.

BENT COUNTY:
--On October 18, Duane Nelson reports that he has visiting Red-bellied Woodpecker, Canyon Towhee, Harris's Sparrow, and Curve-billed Thrasher at his yard in Las Animas.  Birders are welcome if you notify Duane first.  Contact him at dnelson1 AT centurytel.net

BOULDER COUNTY: 
--A Red-necked Grebe was reported by John Rutenbeck near Lagerman Reservoir on October 19.
--A Red Phalarope was reported by Chris Rurik at Prince Lake #2 on October 22 and the bird was seen by many birders on October 22.
--A Broad-winged Hawk was reported by J. D. Birchmeier at Valmont Presbyterian Church Pond on October 24.
--A Swamp Sparrow was reported by Ted Floyd in the SW corner of Stearns Lake on October 24.
--On October 25, David Dowell found Golden-crowned Sparrow at Teller Farm and Ted Floyd reported at Lesser Black-backed Gull flying overhead.  On October 27, Eva Matthews reported Golden-crowned Sparrow at Teller Farm.
--On October 27, John Vanderpoel reported Red-throated Loon at Terry Lake.  The loon was seen by many birders on October 27.
On October 28, Red-throated Loon was reported by Steve Mlodinow, Boulder Bird Club, Todd Deininter, Jesse Casias, and Bill Kaempfer.  On October 29, Tom Behnfield reported Red-throated Loon at Terry Lake.

DENVER COUNTY:
--A McCown's Longspur was reported by Jeff Dawson near DIA on W Cargo Road on October 18.
--A western Palm Warbler was reported by Art Hudak at Bear Creek Park on October 25.  The park of off Kenyon adjacent to Fort Logan National Cemetery.

DOUGLAS COUNTY:
--A Red-necked Grebe was reported by Joey Kellner at the original Heron Overlook at Chatfield SP on October 18.
--Red necked Grebe was reported by David Suddjian near marina sandspit on October 20.
--A Red-necked Grebe was reported by Joey Kellner near marina sandspit on October 24.

EL PASO COUNTY:
--A Red-necked Grebe was reported by Mark Peterson at Big Johnson in the Northeast corner on October 17.  On October 19, Mark Peterson refound Red-necked Grebe at Big Johnson.  On October 24, Steve Getty reported Red-necked Grebe at Big Johnson.
--On October 29, John Drummond reported f-type Black Scoter at Big Johnson

FREMONT COUNTY:
--On October 21, Setta Moss reported 2 Rufous-crowned Sparrow at Tunnel Drive in Canon City.

JEFFERSON COUNTY:
--A Red-necked Grebe was reported by Phil Lyon at the Swim Beach at Chatfield SP on October 20.
--A RUBY-THROATED HUMMINGBIRD was reported by Bill Kaempfer at Curt Campbell's residence on October 25.
Campbell reported that there were 2 hummingbirds around his feeder in later afternoon on October 25.  He welcomes
birders to try for the hummer at 16475 W. 62nd Lane.  There is a public equestrian trail behind the house.
--On October 27, David Suddjian reported 2 Red-necked Grebes at Chatfield SP.
--A Great Crested Flycatcher was reported by Cynthia Madsen, Janet Shin, Jonelle Balais at Denver Botanic Gardens at Chatfield on October 29.

KIT CARSON COUNTY:
--On October 24 at Flagler Reservoir SWA, Scott Manwaring reported Blue-headed Vireo, Wood Thrush, and f MOURNING WARBLER.
On October 25, MOURNING WARBLER was reported by Gwen Moore, Karen Goetz, Matt Clark, and Susan Bonfiglio at Flagler Reservoir SWA.

LARIMER COUNTY:
--A Chestnut-collared Longspur was reported by Steve Mlodinow at Timnath Reservoir on October 19.
--An ad m Surf Scoter was reported by Sean Walters at the east end of FRossil Creek Reservoir in Fort Collins on October 20.
--A Rusty Blackbird was reported by Nick Komar at Riverbend Ponds NA on October 24.  On October 25, Scott Manwaring reported Rusty Blackbird at Riverbend Ponds NA.
--A Dunlin was reported by Andy Bankert, Nick Komar, Sean Walters and Tom Behfield at Timnath Reservoir on October 25.  On October 26, Sue Riffe and Georgia Doyle reported Dunlin at Timnath Reservoir.
--A Common Redpoll was reported by Irene Fortune at Matthews-Reeser Bird Sanctuary at Lake Estes on October 29 and 30.

LINCOLN COUNTY:
--A Red-bellied Woodpecker was reported by Glenn Walbek near Arriba on CR 41 on October 28.

LOGAN COUNTY:
--A Red Phalarope was reported by Joey Kellner and Kathy Mihm Dunning at Jumbo Reservoir on October 25.

MESA COUNTY:
--A Black Phoebe was reported by Mike Henwood at Grand Junction Wildlife Area in bushy area in middle of pond on October 20.

MONTEZUMA COUNTY:
--A Chestnut-collared Longspur was reported by Riley Morris at Totten Reservoir on October 24.

MORGAN COUNTY:
--On October 24, Bill Kaempfer reported McCown's Longspur at playa at CR JJ and Hwy 71.
--On October 25, Scott Somershoe reported Lesser Black-backed Gull at Jackson Lake SP.

PARK COUNTY:
--A Pomarine Jaeger was reported by Sue Riffe and Scott Manwaring at Spinney Mountain Reservoir on October 24.
--4 Surf Scoters (2 ad m, 2 f) were reported by David Suddjian at Spinney Mountain Reservoir on October 26.
--An American Three-toed Woodpecker was reported by David Suddjian at the eastern campground at Kenosha Pass.

PROWERS COUNTY:
--On October 18, Dave Leatherman reported 2 Nashville Warbler at Lamar Community College Woods (LCCW)at the north end.
--On October 19 at Riverside Cemetery on Maple Ave in Lamar, Dave Leatherman reported Field Sparrow.
--A Blue-headed Vireo was reported by Dave Leatherman at Fairmount Cemetery in Lamar on October 19.
--On October 19 at LCCW, Dave Leatherman reported 1+ Nashville Warblers in the north end in Hackberries and Elms and a Red-bellied Woodpecker east of the library.

PUEBLO COUNTY:
--On October 23, Brandon Percival reported Eastern Phoebe below Pueblo Reservoir Dam.

ROUTT COUNTY:
--4 Barrow's Goldeneyes were reported by Nic Korte on October 21.

WELD COUNTY:
--A Red-bellied Woodpecker was reported by Ron Bolton at Crow Valley CG on October 19.
--A f type Surf Scoter was reported by Nick Komar at LUNA Reservoir on October 20.  On October 21, Sue Riffe and Todd Deininger reported Surf Scoter at LUNA Reservoir.
--A Winter Wren was reported by Austin Hess and Fawn Simonds at Jackson Lake SP N of the visitor center on October 20.
--On October 21 at Union Reservoir, Steve Mlodinow reported SEDGE WREN and Northern Parula.  On October 24, Gwen Moore and Matt Clark reported SEDGE WREN at Union Reservoir.  On October 25, Scott Manwaring reported SEDGE WREN at Union Reservoir.
--On October 23 at Crow Valley CG, Dave Leatherman reported Red-bellied Woodpecker and Lapland Longspur.
--On October 25 at Crow Valley CG, Tom Behnfield reported Red-bellied Woodpecker

DFO Field Trips:
The DFO Field Trip for Saturday, October 31 will be to Parker Regional Park led by Patti Galli and Karen von Saltza.  This trip is full.

The DFO Field Trip for Sunday, November 1 will be to Walden Ponds Wildlife Habitat/Sawhill Ponds led by Amy Morton (razgorpy AT gmail.com720-570-6146).  From northbound US 36 take Foothill Parkway exit.  Go north 2 miles to Arapahoe Ave, then east to 75th St.  Go north on 75th past Valmont Rd and railroad tracks.  Turn left at Wildlife Habitat sign.  Follow road west and south to Cottomwood Marsh parking lot.  Register online or contact leader.   REMEMBER to set you clocks since daylight savings time ends on Halloween.

Good Birding,
Joyce Takamine
Boulder

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Friday, 30 October 2015

Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

Thanks, David!

I was hoping/waiting for you to weigh in.  I know you are involved in both "worlds", so your input is helpful.

Gary Brower
Englewood, CO

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On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:19 PM, David Suddjian <dsuddjian@gmail.com> wrote:

As an avid eBirder and regular CObirds poster, I agree that the two satisfy different needs or purposes, but these overlap between the two outlets, too. I don't principally use either for chasing purposes, as that is a not a main interest for me, thus the immediacy is less a need. But I will note that a CObirds post can be a good deal more informative about the birding experience at a location, and offer much additional info that is lacking in the eBird alerts or even on eBird checklists. It is easier to tell the story of the birding experience via CObirds, or enjoy stories from others, and I like that part. And easier to pose thoughts and delve into interesting questions. So both are good outlets.

The current membership of CObirds is 1,409 people, so it is hard to see that as an insider thing. I think many birders seek out regional lists as a basic sort of info and can fidn CObirds that way, and anyone discovering CFO or DFO could also readily learn about CObirds. 

David Suddjian
Littleton, CO

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Steve Stachowiak <waxwing2@q.com> wrote:
Cobirders,

A "Thank You" to the parties that posted the Great-crested Flycatcher sighting to eBird and documenting the record for further discussion.

I am not following the logic to Mark's original post because even if the bird had been posted to CObirds the minute it was seen it would have been simply noted as a Great-crested Flycatcher; a good sighting but not extraordinary nor would it have included a picture.  The posting to eBird documented the sighting with pictures and possibly established the second state record of a rarer species than originally thought when posted.

It should be noted the CObirds and eBird are two entirely different things.  Instead of the idea of one displacing the other it should be viewed as one augmenting the other.  Now birders have a wider array of information to learn about birds and their distribution from two sources.

Thirty years ago that information was only available in a monthly newsletter from the Denver Field Ornithologists (DFO) that arrived a month after the sightings.  Then DFO sponsored a recorded (on tape) bird sighting report that was available 24-7 assuming the administrator had updated the tape (which at times would be updated as many as eight or more times a day during the spring).  What progress!  How quaint!  How dated!  CObirds is an open forum that is used by everyone from beginners to experts and very accessible.  I can now be anywhere in the world and in thirty seconds or so on my phone view everything posted to both CObirds and eBirds allowing me to know more about the current status of birds in the State than was ever possible.

I do not have a problem saying that today's birders are spoiled by an embarrassment of riches.  Embrace them.  Use them.  Share the knowledge.  Enrich the birding experience for everyone.  Show your passion!  Besides, in about five years all this will be obsolete anyways, and I cannot wait for what comes next!

Good Birding,

Steve Stachowiak
Highlands Ranch, CO

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

This is a belated note of appreciation for those who continue to post on Cobirds, often with narratives.  Some of us don't use ebird, and the stories on Cobirds are often instructive.

Marcia Maeda

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On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:19 PM, "David Suddjian" <dsuddjian@gmail.com> wrote:

As an avid eBirder and regular CObirds poster, I agree that the two satisfy different needs or purposes, but these overlap between the two outlets, too. I don't principally use either for chasing purposes, as that is a not a main interest for me, thus the immediacy is less a need. But I will note that a CObirds post can be a good deal more informative about the birding experience at a location, and offer much additional info that is lacking in the eBird alerts or even on eBird checklists. It is easier to tell the story of the birding experience via CObirds, or enjoy stories from others, and I like that part. And easier to pose thoughts and delve into interesting questions. So both are good outlets.

The current membership of CObirds is 1,409 people, so it is hard to see that as an insider thing. I think many birders seek out regional lists as a basic sort of info and can fidn CObirds that way, and anyone discovering CFO or DFO could also readily learn about CObirds. 

David Suddjian
Littleton, CO

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Steve Stachowiak <waxwing2@q.com> wrote:
Cobirders,

A "Thank You" to the parties that posted the Great-crested Flycatcher sighting to eBird and documenting the record for further discussion.

I am not following the logic to Mark's original post because even if the bird had been posted to CObirds the minute it was seen it would have been simply noted as a Great-crested Flycatcher; a good sighting but not extraordinary nor would it have included a picture.  The posting to eBird documented the sighting with pictures and possibly established the second state record of a rarer species than originally thought when posted.

It should be noted the CObirds and eBird are two entirely different things.  Instead of the idea of one displacing the other it should be viewed as one augmenting the other.  Now birders have a wider array of information to learn about birds and their distribution from two sources.

Thirty years ago that information was only available in a monthly newsletter from the Denver Field Ornithologists (DFO) that arrived a month after the sightings.  Then DFO sponsored a recorded (on tape) bird sighting report that was available 24-7 assuming the administrator had updated the tape (which at times would be updated as many as eight or more times a day during the spring).  What progress!  How quaint!  How dated!  CObirds is an open forum that is used by everyone from beginners to experts and very accessible.  I can now be anywhere in the world and in thirty seconds or so on my phone view everything posted to both CObirds and eBirds allowing me to know more about the current status of birds in the State than was ever possible.

I do not have a problem saying that today's birders are spoiled by an embarrassment of riches.  Embrace them.  Use them.  Share the knowledge.  Enrich the birding experience for everyone.  Show your passion!  Besides, in about five years all this will be obsolete anyways, and I cannot wait for what comes next!

Good Birding,

Steve Stachowiak
Highlands Ranch, CO

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

As an avid eBirder and regular CObirds poster, I agree that the two satisfy different needs or purposes, but these overlap between the two outlets, too. I don't principally use either for chasing purposes, as that is a not a main interest for me, thus the immediacy is less a need. But I will note that a CObirds post can be a good deal more informative about the birding experience at a location, and offer much additional info that is lacking in the eBird alerts or even on eBird checklists. It is easier to tell the story of the birding experience via CObirds, or enjoy stories from others, and I like that part. And easier to pose thoughts and delve into interesting questions. So both are good outlets.

The current membership of CObirds is 1,409 people, so it is hard to see that as an insider thing. I think many birders seek out regional lists as a basic sort of info and can fidn CObirds that way, and anyone discovering CFO or DFO could also readily learn about CObirds. 

David Suddjian
Littleton, CO

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Steve Stachowiak <waxwing2@q.com> wrote:
Cobirders,

A "Thank You" to the parties that posted the Great-crested Flycatcher sighting to eBird and documenting the record for further discussion.

I am not following the logic to Mark's original post because even if the bird had been posted to CObirds the minute it was seen it would have been simply noted as a Great-crested Flycatcher; a good sighting but not extraordinary nor would it have included a picture.  The posting to eBird documented the sighting with pictures and possibly established the second state record of a rarer species than originally thought when posted.

It should be noted the CObirds and eBird are two entirely different things.  Instead of the idea of one displacing the other it should be viewed as one augmenting the other.  Now birders have a wider array of information to learn about birds and their distribution from two sources.

Thirty years ago that information was only available in a monthly newsletter from the Denver Field Ornithologists (DFO) that arrived a month after the sightings.  Then DFO sponsored a recorded (on tape) bird sighting report that was available 24-7 assuming the administrator had updated the tape (which at times would be updated as many as eight or more times a day during the spring).  What progress!  How quaint!  How dated!  CObirds is an open forum that is used by everyone from beginners to experts and very accessible.  I can now be anywhere in the world and in thirty seconds or so on my phone view everything posted to both CObirds and eBirds allowing me to know more about the current status of birds in the State than was ever possible.

I do not have a problem saying that today's birders are spoiled by an embarrassment of riches.  Embrace them.  Use them.  Share the knowledge.  Enrich the birding experience for everyone.  Show your passion!  Besides, in about five years all this will be obsolete anyways, and I cannot wait for what comes next!

Good Birding,

Steve Stachowiak
Highlands Ranch, CO

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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[cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

Cobirders,

A "Thank You" to the parties that posted the Great-crested Flycatcher sighting to eBird and documenting the record for further discussion.

I am not following the logic to Mark's original post because even if the bird had been posted to CObirds the minute it was seen it would have been simply noted as a Great-crested Flycatcher; a good sighting but not extraordinary nor would it have included a picture.  The posting to eBird documented the sighting with pictures and possibly established the second state record of a rarer species than originally thought when posted.

It should be noted the CObirds and eBird are two entirely different things.  Instead of the idea of one displacing the other it should be viewed as one augmenting the other.  Now birders have a wider array of information to learn about birds and their distribution from two sources.

Thirty years ago that information was only available in a monthly newsletter from the Denver Field Ornithologists (DFO) that arrived a month after the sightings.  Then DFO sponsored a recorded (on tape) bird sighting report that was available 24-7 assuming the administrator had updated the tape (which at times would be updated as many as eight or more times a day during the spring).  What progress!  How quaint!  How dated!  CObirds is an open forum that is used by everyone from beginners to experts and very accessible.  I can now be anywhere in the world and in thirty seconds or so on my phone view everything posted to both CObirds and eBirds allowing me to know more about the current status of birds in the State than was ever possible.

I do not have a problem saying that today's birders are spoiled by an embarrassment of riches.  Embrace them.  Use them.  Share the knowledge.  Enrich the birding experience for everyone.  Show your passion!  Besides, in about five years all this will be obsolete anyways, and I cannot wait for what comes next!

Good Birding,

Steve Stachowiak
Highlands Ranch, CO

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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RE: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

BirdTrax did not report my Palm Warbler (Western) from Bear Creek Park, Denver county on 10/25/15. It was on the list and I simply put 1 in the box verifying the species recognition. It did not come up as rare. This was my first record of this bird in Denver county.

Art Hudak, city of Denver, county of Denver.

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RE: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

A quick way to check for "currently reported" birds in your area is to click on the website home pages of DFO http://dfobirds.org/ or CFO http://cobirds.org/ and look at BirdTrax, the "Recent eBird Sightings" app that is constantly updating.  Scroll down in BirdTrax and you will see the Great-crested Flycatcher reported by a couple birders, where and when.

 

Kay

 

Kayleen A. Niyo, Ph.D.

Niyo Scientific Communications

5651 Garnet St.

Golden, CO 80403

303.679.6646

Kay@KayNiyo.com; www.KayNiyo.com

 

From: cobirds@googlegroups.com [mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joey Kellner
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:36 PM
To: Colorado Birds
Subject: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

 

The trend will continue (and may even expand) as new and easier ways of reporting and tracking bird sightings.  With phone apps now available to easily document our sightings conveniently in the field there is less urgency to race home and type up a message on COBIRDS.  This is just my opinion as to why this is happening.  I too am guilty of spending a day in the field, coming home exhausted and then failing to report my sightings in a second forum.

 

Birding is a great hobby and it leaves much to the observer as far as the desire to be involved 1) by themselves, 2) join up with other individuals, 3) join a local club or group, or 4) join a national organization (ABA).  It is up to the individual to decide what level of birding THEY want (feeder watching, local patch watching, Big Day attempts, annual "year" list tracking or continent (or worldwide) birding).  Like I said, a great hobby for all levels of interest or involvement.

 

With that decision also comes another decision (wow, so complicated).  How to document or track what you see?  Some just get out and watch and don't track any of their sightings...they just enjoy getting out in the fresh air and seeing nature.  Others track to the minute level of what bird was on what specific power pole!  Once you determine what level of record keeping you want, you must decide (yeah, another decision) what method to use to track your sightings (paper, computer spreadsheet, software package designed for birders, or something like eBird). 

 

Here it comes....another decision...do you feel comfortable with and want to report your sightings to others?  How?  1) A phone call and leave a message on the local Rare Bird Alert (easy and convenient with just a phone call)?  2) Use a computer at home (or a laptop in your hotel) to post your sightings online (e.g. COBIRDS)?  3) Send a "tweet" to all your close birding buddies, 4) Post to your Facebook page so that anyone "following" you can see what you've found, 5) Submit your sightings via a smart-phone app to eBird?  Wow!  What options we have!  Now for convenience, one stop "shopping" (birding) allows me to track my sightings on a checklist AND at the same time provides me with a method to notify others!  Wow, what convenience!

 

What I'm really getting at here is that technology is developing and changing fast and unless there is a way to synthesize all the electronic (and other) data out there, there will always be a disconnect in reporting.

 

Now I'm not suggesting that this REALLY happen, but what if eBird posted their alerts to COBIRDS automatically every few hours?  I would get a lot of email that I really don't want AND it might just "clutter up" COBIRDS.

 

So, until all the observation data can be gathered together in a single location (and selectively "mined" for the good stuff...and the bad stuff ruled out) we will be in a world of multiple forums for gathering sighting data.

 

Isn't America great?!  Our enjoyment and hobby are not dictated to us.  All these choices we have!  With great choice comes great responsibility?

 

My three thoughts (small as they may be).

 

Joey Kellner

Littleton, Colorado

 

 

 


On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:

Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?


Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

Mark,

I have found that on my e-bird alerts for rare species or birds I haven't found this year the hourly setting helps me catch some of those reports.   This obviously misses birders who enter lists at the end of the day or later, but it does help catch a fair number of recent reports without the person entering the list having to enter sightings elsewhere.  Not a complete solution, but a helpful one for chasers-

Mark Minner-Lee
Superior, CO

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On Oct 30, 2015, at 3:03 PM, otowi <otowi33.33@gmail.com> wrote:

I also wonder how many people know about CObirds?  There are a lot of birders not subscribed to this or any other group.   CObirds seems to me kind of like an "insider" thing that only people in certain circles know about, and that many are likely to assume is only for use by experts or highly experienced birders to share reports with one another.  Who is really wanted to post here and what is post-worthy?

An advantage of eBird is that you can keep your whole life list there easily and can simply report what you think you saw - it feels a lot more personal and functional for individual use.  Just as phone lines have gone by the wayside, egroups are a little old school today in terms of how people actually use the Internet for social purposes, so using CObirds requires many to take a set of unnatural steps that they wouldn't ordinarily be doing.



Diana Beatty
El Paso

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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[cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

Hi all

To add, just today while "walking the internet" I found two local "Birds and Brews" and "Northern Colorado" birding groups.  Seems to have been around awhile as well.  I agree with Joey, Diana people bird for personal reasons and "centralized or one-stop birding" is quickly disappearing--21st century digital birding is the norm.  I even realize at some point my site below will become obsolete without change.

Thanks
Gary Lefko, Nunn
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On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 3:03:07 PM UTC-6, otowi wrote:
I also wonder how many people know about CObirds?  There are a lot of birders not subscribed to this or any other group.   CObirds seems to me kind of like an "insider" thing that only people in certain circles know about, and that many are likely to assume is only for use by experts or highly experienced birders to share reports with one another.  Who is really wanted to post here and what is post-worthy?

An advantage of eBird is that you can keep your whole life list there easily and can simply report what you think you saw - it feels a lot more personal and functional for individual use.  Just as phone lines have gone by the wayside, egroups are a little old school today in terms of how people actually use the Internet for social purposes, so using CObirds requires many to take a set of unnatural steps that they wouldn't ordinarily be doing.



Diana Beatty
El Paso

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?

Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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